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Michael Edging's avatar

These actions by governments against their own legislative bodies is an unbelievable usurpation of power from the people! This must not stand, and creators have to band together to fight this! It’s the age-old story of greed over what is right and moral. Mankind has never learned that greed, over time, will ultimately fail and subsume itself. It will appear to be successful for a long while, but will destroy the food (creator’s works) it relies on!

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Declan Dunn's avatar

So many possibilities, so many blockages. The AI talking points are clear; it's transformative, we don't steal content and creators like Disney should get paid....but they forget the rest.

And with AI in the US, the close ALWAYS is....we can't lose the AI race to China.

Because they can take all the content and already have (as has most outside the US I imagine, copyright doesn't transcend borders unless you pay it to).

So the justification is; China is horrible with copyright. So we have to be too...or we lose.

We being Big Tech. The center of all stock market growth the past 10 years.

And what about the rest of the economy?

"WE CAN'T LOSE AI TO CHNA!"

Yeah, my bad.

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Michael Edging's avatar

China has always been and will always be a nation led by criminals. Are we truly losing if we find a way to recognize copyright in AI? Do we become the enemy we hate? We, as a nation, have usually prided ourselves on doing what is right. And, if we create AI without principles, will it truly pay us in the future? If we throw in our lot with criminals, does it pay in the long run? Creators will stop creating products for the market if they don't get paid. if everything they create is stolen by criminals in China and here, all in the race to get to the top, good creations will disappear or the creative community will find ways to subvert the AI plan to suck up their work for no compensation. Do we truly wish to become China in order to win? Or do we go the extra mile and find a solution? We are supposed to be the leaders of the free world, and stealing content doesn't look like sound leadership to me. Becoming evil to win over evil is, IMHO, a bad trade.

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Declan Dunn's avatar

Yeah, and the argument is odd, and there's a ton of BS in AI "speak".

Great new book, Empire of AI by Karen Hao

https://www.amazon.com/Empire-AI-Dreams-Nightmares-Altmans-ebook/dp/B0DQSQKMY4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0

I heard one AI Czar talk about Star Wars, and of course OpenAI doesn't let you create Darth Vader he says. And anyone like that should get paid.

but then ask them about the rest of us who aren't elite content creators...

Nah, that's fair use.

Yes, China and pretty much anyone outside of the US with the possible exception of the EU will take data from other countries, as copyrights don't apply to their country.

So Orwellian; in order to beat China, we have to be China.

Reading Hao's book....so much more. And truth really isn't part of their game.

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Michael Edging's avatar

I will read it soon, as it looks good. This rise of AI brings to light how backward our planet is. We are still like kids in a playground, scuffling over a few marbles while millions die of hunger. It's funny how every new invention is touted at its inception as the cure-all to the travails of our world. But, just as in the past, it's all about the money. Our planet does not get better with invention, with that kind of thinking being the overwhelming en raison du temps.

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Phil Brattain's avatar

You tell them, Declan. Smoke and mirrors.

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Declan Dunn's avatar

Yes it is, the book I"m writing from this research right now is titled

The Great AI Pig-Out

The Big Tech/government connections are happening everywhere, throwing creators under the bus. Wish we had more input from the US, but our fighting back is mostly happening with those having lawyers on retainer. Weird.

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